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Site listings disappeared

(pyramids) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 16:33:09 UT

I have had great listing in Google for a few of our important keywords
for a few years now - now our listing have just about disappeared.

At this point we are at a complete loss as to why and how it can be
fixed.

Regards

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(Susan Moskwa) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 16:32:07 UT

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Re: Page not getting indexed mystery

(Robbo) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 16:27:58 UT

And it's a great page! But would be even better if you fixed the
faults such as:

1. The link to Home is wring (missing slash on end) so that anyone
clicking that (or robot crawling it) gets a redirect to the correct
URL. It should not need redirecting at all.

2. Your preferred domain version is without www ao you are using

Re: Page not getting indexed mystery

(Robbo) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 16:23:22 UT

If you mean the one below, it clearlIS indexed:

Dead Space Concept Art | simoncpage.com
24 Oct 2008 ... The video game I am getting most excited about, so
far, this year - Dead Space. The game borrows elements from a number
of other sci-fi cult ...
simoncpage.co.uk/blog/2008/10/ 24/dead-space-concept-art/ - 43k -

Page not getting indexed mystery

(simoncpage) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 16:00:17 UT

Can anyone help with this?

Searching "Dead Space Concept Art" had this post at number one but now
it isn't indexed at all - can someone add any light as to why this is
not getting index and any problems there might be with this page that
Google doesn't like?

[link]

Re: Can i Change my keywords?

(Tim Abracadabra) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 15:59:12 UT

Hi Land,

If I am understanding you correctly you want
to change your keywords and want to know
it it affect the _old_ ranking.

Well, Maybe but how do you plan to change
keywords?

Google does not use the meta keywords for ranking
so that method won't do it.

So to answer your question, If you change the meta

Re: Google Made misteake with my index page ? Please help

(Hypnotist) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 15:54:41 UT

Ok i have spoken to heartinternet and say its a google cach problem i
have tried to contact google but all they are intrested in is add
words or making money. Well this is great i have a good site now i
have to change it because of this great stuff thank you google for
messing a good business up. Now i have to pay for another domain name

Can i Change my keywords?

(Land Guo) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 15:45:13 UT

Hi, All Master SEOERS,

I have a site [link] , there were 76pages crawled
by googlebot, and 25pages by Yahoo,1page by MSN , and the site can be
stand on the first page on google if put keywords "newest solar
product","newest solar products" "newest solar toy" .For now , i want

Re: Google Made misteake with my index page ? Please help

(Hypnotist) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 15:41:36 UT

Sorry wrong info he is on a german sever rip just give out the ip
details ive contacted my heart internet again and they are un willing
to help
surley we are paying for a service they should sort this problem out.
Warm wishes
The hpnotist

Re: Many sites writing about my content are listed when i search but the original article is not

(BBdeath) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 15:37:09 UT

Probably other copies looks to be simply better for Google- if you
don't protect your content Google will choose one of the available
copies.

Many sites writing about my content are listed when i search but the original article is not

(truncie) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 15:32:24 UT

I work for mrskin.com. Our writers have written an article about the
top 20 nude scenes of 2008. We wrote a press release and it was
quickly picked up by a number of news agencies an bloggers such as
wired.com, usatoday, slashfilm, imdb, thesun.co.uk. This is wonderful
as we strive to contribute content that gets people excited and

Re: Google Made misteake with my index page ? Please help

(Hypnotist) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 15:30:31 UT

Ok a update i have found out we are on the same server ips are
diffrent and i spoke to the person who runs the Dragonmeet - Home site
who was very helpfull
and wanted to get the problem sorted as well. His site was hacked
about the same time as we got hacked so im guessing its a server issue

Re: Help with my Yoga website

(BBdeath) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 15:28:07 UT

[link]

This also will not help- there looks to be no indexable contant on
your home page.

Otherwise Whe I try to enter your site I get this message:
Alternate HTML content should be placed here.This content requires the

Re: Help with my Yoga website

(BBdeath) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 15:24:19 UT

All the same as meta keywords are not used for indexing, ranking.

Re: No listing for my site

(go_g8ors) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 15:14:33 UT

I don't recall requesting for anyone's opinion
on music, wait time, or flash sites. Thanks anyway.

Re: Matt Cutts Confirms Google to discontinue green pixel PR Jan. 1st

(Bikerman) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 14:42:52 UT

Dammit !!!

You got my hopes up and everything :)

Well, I was happy for 30 seconds

Re: Still falling - how long time to reconsider?

(BBdeath) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 14:36:46 UT

The problem is the redirection- fix it and file a reconsideration
request.

Re: Still falling - how long time to reconsider?

(BBdeath) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 14:34:24 UT

Always- if you try [link]

<META·HTTP-EQUIV="refresh"·(LF )
content="1;URL=[link]">(LF)

Re: Need help! Post pages not showing up anymore!

(BBdeath) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 14:00:58 UT

As far as I know it in fact it performs a search site:yoursite "search
term" - so if something is not indexed it'll not show up.

What is with the two info I asked from your webmaster tools? Crawl
rate and average time needed to download a page?

Re: Google spider not read

(Phil Payne) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 13:34:47 UT

Basically your business model is criminal - "replica" really means
"forgery". People selling articles like this in UK markets can expect
to be arrested and fined - possibly imprisoned - and have their stock
confiscated and destroyed.

I fail to see why I - or anyone else here - should assist in the

Re: New site indexed first day, disappeared the next

(jeroendenhaan) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 13:25:25 UT

@webado: while we wait, the javascript menu has been fixed.

@BLaslo: try searching Google for 'check datacenters google'... it'll
give you a number of online tools with which you can check your domain
and/or keywords across multiple data centers. Like I said before, it
doesn't seem to do much for my problem, but maybe it sheds a light on

Re: What Have I Done That's So Horribly Bad?

(mortgagesdebt) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 13:23:00 UT

Not as "cheap" as the hundreds of spam sites outranking me that have 1
and 2 backlinks total, from places like a shop selling coconut oil.

No i have to admit some sort of "guilt" about why i got penalized to
file reinclusion, and as the thread title says "What have i done so
horribly wrong?"

Re: Google is unable to crawl my website

(webado) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 13:11:49 UT

You used iframes. Like frames, iframes are not robot-friendly.

[link]

A robot sees only the page title and nothing else. Nothign to index,
nothign to crawl.

You don't have a site at this point. You have a single url with no

Re: New site indexed first day, disappeared the next

(jeroendenhaan) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 13:09:56 UT

Heheh... thanks, good tip. It was already on my to-do list, but I'll
make haste in setting that straight. I'll probably get rid of the
javascript completely for the menu, I think it'd be best to solve it
using normal links to begin with.

The text content remark makes sense, thanks again.

But, like you and Autocrat both mention, the matter of not being

Re: Google spider not read

(webado) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 13:08:21 UT

You provide backlinks to that site?

And you think those can be considered natural backlinks?

Did you also read the FAQ (top right) ?

Re: New site indexed first day, disappeared the next

(BLaszlo) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 13:06:42 UT

Dear sirs,

I have faced the very same problem today: my site was finally indexed
and added to google search results but after a few hours, it
disappeared again. I can't think of any valid reason why google would
blacklist my page. At the webmaster tools says that my site is
verified and everything is just fine.

Google is unable to crawl my website

(sanju11) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 13:06:25 UT

My website name is [link] Google is unable to
crawl the site.My site is created dynamically.I have used iframe.What
may me the possible reasons?

Re: New site indexed first day, disappeared the next

(webado) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 13:06:17 UT

The top menu is javascript only. None of those links will be picked up
from there by any crawler.
You need to provide a <noscript> alternative with plain html links.

You could add some text content to the homepage as well, otherwise
most of what you have is hyperlinked to other pages.

And then be patient.

Re: New site indexed first day, disappeared the next

(jeroendenhaan) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 13:00:14 UT

FYI: I tried a few online tools to seek out search results for
fortunefriends.nl and all datacenters seem to be giving the same
result... Not sure if this means it's not a matter of different
DataCenters and 'things to settle', but it seems unlikely that there
are any indexed pages at the moment. Nevertheless, I will remain

Re: New site indexed first day, disappeared the next

(jeroendenhaan) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 12:47:53 UT

Hi Autocrat,

First of all: thanks for replying so quickly, I really appreciate that
and all of your other suggestions!

The second verify tag was added just two hours ago (after disappearing
from the index), because the owner of the site wanted to check out the
Webmaster Tools for this site also (so, one verify tag for me, one for

Google spider not read

(chohan) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 12:42:33 UT

As a seo I provide a bulk of backward link for [link]
but Google toolbar show only 4 what is the reason? how i tackle this
problem?

Re: not all sitemap pages are indexed

(Autocrat) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 12:32:48 UT

Are you creating a single sitemap ( at root level), linking to the
subfolders
OR
Are you creating an individual sitemap for each "account" and
submitting that
???

Sitemaps are not a guarantee of Inclusion!
Typical/standard/established means are still required.
This includes getting inbound links to those sites, manually

Re: New site indexed first day, disappeared the next

(Autocrat) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 12:29:45 UT

Still, whilst waiting for things to initially settle, you have the
opportunity to tidy up a few mistakes...

why 2 Verify tags?
why use the Revisit tag?
You didn't close your keywords tag properly (missing /)

You could also look into things like Titles usage and Semantic
Structure...

Re: Indexing

(Ryan SImpson) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 12:29:13 UT

Phil
im presuming the way to find out is to get one of my pages already
indexed then add some cut n paste content thats found readily around
the traps see if it remains indexed?

i submitted a site map and on the 1st go only 1 page of 279 were
indexed. After removing some copied content on more pages [ ive not

Re: A link building method : Allowed or not ?

(BBdeath) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 12:28:37 UT

And what does it have to do with links?

Re: New site indexed first day, disappeared the next

(Autocrat) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 12:25:06 UT

Different DataCenters?
You could be talking to a different set of computers/data, and thus
seeing different results.

It's usually around a week or so for things to "settle" a little for
new site launches.
It usually consists of the main index and a smattering of other pages.

Re: Google search engine results

(Loveless) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 12:24:26 UT

Link Exchanges = against Google guidelines

Against Google guidelines = loss of ranking

Re: The Credit Crunch and a Google Penalty - Double Whammy!

(BBdeath) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 12:21:55 UT

I wouldn't expect too much about a reconsideration request.

The current state of the site exactly shows that you've invested a lot
into seo instead of developing the site, providing something special,
something unusuall, what would make you stand out from the similar
sites.

~14% of the home-page and 17% of the training page is "training"- for

Re: Home page of my site suddenly gone from Google index

(Phil Payne) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 12:00:52 UT

Probably the link request:

[link]

Re: The Credit Crunch and a Google Penalty - Double Whammy!

(Phil Payne) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 11:55:20 UT

Yeah, but it feels like one.

Page 4 is not an unreasonable position for the site 'as is' minus the
support the now neutralised linking programme was giving it.

But as you so often say - it's inherently dangerous to base a business
plan on a free search engine.

Re: The Credit Crunch and a Google Penalty - Double Whammy!

(seo101) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 11:46:01 UT

Thats more likely to be a natural change in rankings than a penalty.

Re: The Credit Crunch and a Google Penalty - Double Whammy!

(Robbo) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 11:45:36 UT

Things like this still look "spammy":

Albuquerque Anaheim Arlington Atlanta Austin Baltimore Boston Buffalo
Charlotte Chicago Cincinnati Cleveland Colorado Springs Columbus
Dallas Denver Detroit El Paso Fort Worth Fresno Honolulu Houston
Indianapolis Jacksonville Kansas City Las Vegas Long Beach Los Angeles

Re: The Credit Crunch and a Google Penalty - Double Whammy!

(Robbo) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 11:34:42 UT

I see that you have improved your home page head title. The version
that google cached was:

<title>Excel and Microsoft Project Training in Chicago, Computer and
Business Skills classes ranging from Sales and Customer Service to
Project Management, QuickBooks, AJAX and Ruby on Rails!</title>

Re: The Credit Crunch and a Google Penalty - Double Whammy!

(Phil Payne) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 11:31:56 UT

I read the first paragraph, saw the URL, looked at the site,and came
immediately to the conclusion that I then read in the third.

Pages are still indexed - there's no site wide exclusion. Google has
recently made algorithm changes that have devalued certain type of
links, and if you look back in the archives of this group on "link

Re: Newbie Ques on web page PR

(Chris Hunt) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 11:30:10 UT

It stands for "PageRank", a value that Google calculates for each page
and uses in the ranking process. Read all about it at
[link] , or one of the other links at
[link]

Google don't release the exact PageRank value for each page, but every

tld set to PR0, site indexed but almost now Google traffic

(trends4711) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 11:26:15 UT

Hi there,

we are running classifieds sites in many countries around the globe.
One of them seems to have incurreed a Google penalty (about a year
ago): [link]

The PR of the tld is 0, all other sites we run have a PR of 3 / 4

We used to have a different domain tld for Canada before. Over a year

Re: A link building method : Allowed or not ?

(Shekhar) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 11:21:43 UT

Hello Luzie,

Well the site is on meditation and it's content is relevant to people
who want to search for 'meditation' sites. Since, I also belong to a
site related to meditation, it would not be proper on my part to
comment on the quality of its content. However, I must add that the
content is not that good to deserve such a high ranking in Google for

Re: The Credit Crunch and a Google Penalty - Double Whammy!

(Robbo) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 11:20:19 UT

Hi WilliamH

You have my sympathies but we need to focus on the way your site is
now, correcting anything that is unsatisfactory now, and then - if
necessary - you can submit a businesslike request for
reconsideration.

You can be reassured that lots of people have had there sites returned

Re: The Credit Crunch and a Google Penalty - Double Whammy!

(Sasch) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 11:14:10 UT

Your consultant didn't do a very thorough job...

The spam detector still picks you up for keyword lists...

[link]

As for the reconsideration request; firstly, this can take time.

Secondly, Google will not respond individually to your request, so the

The Credit Crunch and a Google Penalty - Double Whammy!

(WilliamH) — Thu, 04 Грд 2008 10:49:47 UT

We incurred a site-wide Google penalty around Oct 31, 2008. All our
major terms like "Excel Training Chicago" and “Chicago Flash Training”
disappeared from the 1st page to the 4th page.

Our home page is [link]

We had recently parted ways with our SEO company and my immediate